COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State just had the most first-round NFL Draft picks of the Ryan Day era. Can they repeat it in 2026? As OSU heads into a new era in 2025, there are already a few players on the roster who are seeing their names pop up in early mock drafts for the 2026 NFL Draft. On this episode of Buckeye Talk, Stephen Means and Stefan Krajisnik make some early predicitons on who could be next Day 1 picks for the program. Thanks for listening to Buckeye Talk and sign up to get text messages from experts Stephen Means, Stefan Krajisnik and Andrew Gillis at 614-350-3315. Get the insider analysis, have your voice heard on the Buckeye Talk podcast and connect with the best Buckeye community out there. Read the automated transcript of today’s podcast below. Because it’s a computer-generated transcript, it may contain errors and misspellings. Stephen Means (00:11.366) Welcome back to Buckeye Talk. I’m Stephen Means, that’s the Fog Crack Snick. This is your Tuesday Pod as you’re listening to this. Stephen Means (00:23.718) Welcome back to Buckeye Talk. I’m Stephen Means and that’s Tiffan Kreisnik and this is your Tuesday pod Andrew’s on vacation. I’ll be back next week. As you’re listening to this, we’re back in the Woody talking with Ryan Day to kind of wrap up the spring. We haven’t talked to him since Ohio State spring game a couple of weeks ago. So it’d be good to talk with him about not losing a single soul to the spring transfer portal, adding a couple of guys already to the transfer portal and offensive lineman Justin Terrier from Western, West Virginia and defensive end. Bo Atkinson from North Carolina, whether they’re done in the transfer portal or not. I’ve already been hinting at some things. Ohio State might still be trying to go after and where they may not be going after anybody anymore in the transfer portal in the text, 614-350-3315, two week free trial, 399 after that. We try to share as much as we can in the text. That’s where we’ll go with everything first. We’ll talk about stuff on the pods and we’ll write stories about it whatnot, but the text is where we go first with everything. So two week free trial, 399 after that. The NFL draft is over. are officially in the off season, which means we are officially in the let’s find some things to talk about part of the year. Stefan Krajisnik (01:29.526) What’s funny is I was actually just thinking about that when the draft finished I was like, you know, it feels like we’ve done three pods where we’re like we’re officially an offseason mode. I think now we are officially an offseason mode. And what I think is funny is you and I went to that Under Armour camp on Sunday. It was like. Kind of breezy, kind of like I think it was like in the 60s, maybe it dipped down in the 50s in the morning, so we had like hoodies and like light jackets on and like sweatpants or whatever like we’re covered, but there wasn’t a cloud in the sky. Stephen Means (01:38.278) Stephen Means (01:48.967) Stephen Means (01:57.938) Stefan Krajisnik (01:58.038) My face got very burnt. I realized that like as I was like showering last on Sunday night and like now it literally crossed my mind. I was like it really is off season mode because the moment the NFL draft ended I went and got a little sunburn. I was like this is good. Alright, we’re in summer. Stephen Means (02:15.442) We’re in the summer months. That means it’s warm outside. That means the camps are right around the corner, which means recruiting is going to probably dominate your airways because it’s literally the only thing going on. It also means finding creative ways to talk about Ohio State football. This is my third offseason being the guy in the seat with the microphone guy. And before I was the guy in the seat microphone guy, Doug Lamarice was the guy in the seat microphone guy. And I used to wonder like, how the heck does he do this? How does he come up with stuff? Cause it’s like, we got two and a half months, man. How are we gonna come up with stuff? No, actually it’s not that hard. And I’m not downplaying with that. It’s just like, okay, you get to a flow, you start brainstorming ideas and all of a sudden you look up and it’s like, it’s big 10 media days. Look at that. So I do got some fun stuff planned for this summer. We’re working on a. Stefan Krajisnik (03:08.974) That’s just you trying to get to Vegas as quick as possible. Stephen Means (03:12.582) Listen, I’m never turning down a trip to Vegas ever. It’s a great time out there. can’t, I Big Ten Media, Big Ten, if you want to keep it in Vegas forever, I’m all for that. Indianapolis was great because we live in Columbus, so it was easy to get to. But look, man, look, look, I’m a millennial. Vegas, baby. They don’t, they don’t say what happens in Indy stays in Indy. Well, unless you’re at NFL GM, then yes, you do say that. Yeah, yeah. Stefan Krajisnik (03:29.762) They don’t say viva Indianapolis. Stefan Krajisnik (03:38.35) I’m not say it, but not my wig, maybe not his face. Stephen Means (03:40.946) The LGM do say what happens in these days in India, but everybody else it’s Vegas. Some fun stuff planned this summer. We’re brainstorming a greatest Buckeye idea that we’re going to be doing with our textures. got a JJ week I want to do, but this week we’re going to start with a little bit more of a draft centric thing, but it’s not talk 2025 draft. That’s over with that 14 picks for which went in the first round. Kudos to Ryan Day. It’s this tied for the most picks. Ohio said has ever had in an NFL draft tied with 2004. And it’s tied with LSU 2020 as well for the second most ever behind Georgia’s 2022 draft, which had 15 players in it. We’re looking forward. Stefan, the last time Ohio State did not have at least one first round draft pick was in 2015. Devin Smith was the highest guy off the board. He went 37th to the Jets so early in the second round. And part of that is many of the guys from that 2014 national championship team, they weren’t draft eligible, which is why the very next year They had five guys go in the first round. Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, Eli Apple, Taylor Decker and Darren Lee. In 2017, Marshawn Latimore, Malik Hooker and Garyon Conley all went in the first round in 2018. Denzel Ward and Billy Price both went in the first round in 2019. Nick Bosa and Dwayne Haskins, that was Urban Liars last NFL draft class as Ohio State’s head coach. They both went in the first round. In 2020, Chase Young and Jeff Okuda. And Damon Arnett, that’s Ryan Day’s first class as Ohio State’s head coach. In 2021, Justin Fields has the 11th pick to your Bears. That’s the only first round draft pick in 2022. Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave both go on the first round starting this run of first round wide receivers. 2023, CJ Stroud, Paris Johnson, and Jackson Smith, the Jigba all go in the first round. 2024, Marvin Harrison Jr. is the only first round draft pick. And then 2025, Emeka Buka, Donovan Jackson, Tyleek Williams. and Josh Simmons all go in the first round. So that’s one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. That’s nine straight years that Ohio State has had at least one first round draft pick taken in the NFL draft. And that was after really 2014, 2015, they didn’t have a first round draft pick. did in 2014, didn’t have any 2013 and didn’t have any 2012. It didn’t have any in. Stephen Means (06:06.962) They had one in 2011. So this run is pretty prominent in terms of nine straight years. And we’re going to sit here and try to figure out if that can get to a decade. And I think both of you are pretty confident that it’ll get to the decade. And so now it’s about how many people will be about, will be a part of extending that to 10 straight years at Ohio State’s had a first round. Stefan Krajisnik (06:28.142) Yeah, I think there’s definitely one guy in next year’s class who we’ve all, you know, use a Sharpie to write in as a first round pick. So I think we’re all pretty confident that that streak’s going to continue. And for that matter, it’s probably going to get to 11 years if we want to be honest and start talking about JJ in the 27 draft. So it is, it’s one of the more impressive runs in draft history. This is certainly a testament to the talent, whether it be recruiting or, you know, now with the transfer portal in play as well that that Ohio State has had and, and Ryan Day has not slowed down. That’s for sure. Stephen Means (06:40.124) Stephen Means (06:59.526) I wonder, cause you can start to project out a little bit and maybe this thing gets to 15 cause it’s gonna, it’s gonna get to 11. It’s gonna get to 12. 13 is where you start projecting a little bit. Cause you’re talking about guys who are true freshmen right now, but you’ve got some five stars on the roster who might fit that description. There’s some five stars in the 20, 26 class where you can start to project. There’s some five stars in 20, 27 class where you can start to project. I do wonder when the next time Ohio State doesn’t have at least one first round draft pick. when you mix that with transfer portal, right? Who do they bring in that’s like a one and done guy, who ends up being a first round draft pick, who randomly is better than maybe people thought he was going to be, all these different variables, how about long it’s gonna go. But okay, it gets to 11 because of Caleb Downs, right? That’s not even, I think he’s the one guy. I wrote down a list of people, and I’m also saying this while understanding Ohio State’s 2023 recruiting class, which was once. the fifth best class in the country. Brandon Ennis was a five star on signing day. He was the only five star on signing day that day. 247 Sports has updated its rankings for some reason, and now he’s not a five star, he’s a four star, but whatever. But I think Caleb Downs is the only guy who was a sure fire first round draft pick. While there may be some guys in that 2023 recruiting class, maybe even the 2022 recruiting class that we’re gonna talk about here, but Caleb’s pretty, something has gone drastically wrong. in the next 12 months of Caleb Downs is not a first round. Stefan Krajisnik (08:30.842) Yeah, he’s the only guy who we don’t have to say a few things have to click and he’s going to be a first round pick, right? Everyone else we mentioned is going to be projecting a bit of what they can do in the 2025 season. Caleb Downs probably would have been a first round pick this year. And I don’t think that that’s going to change next year. His versatility, what he can do. You’re going to hear this over and over and over again, heading into the 2026 draft of GMs and commentators and whoever it may be saying that. Stephen Means (08:44.943) Stefan Krajisnik (09:00.622) Yes, he’s a safety, but don’t talk about him. Like he’s just a safety. And we actually saw that a little bit when Lathan got drafted the other day of the crew at ESPN. I’m sure NFL network was probably saying some of the same things, but ESPN people were saying, you know, he played a ton in the box. He can get down to the line of scrimmage. You can make tackles for loss. Like he’s a hard hitting safety who does a lot more than just, you know, kind of float around in the secondary. So yeah, Caleb is going to be. Stephen Means (09:06.182) Stefan Krajisnik (09:26.55) I’d probably say a top 10 pick and maybe even higher, right? The thing that this comes down to all the time is what does the quarterback class look like and who needs quarterbacks? And the way that the 2025 draft went suggests to me that there’s gonna be some teams desperate for quarterbacks next year. And whatever you think about Drew Aller and Arch Manning and things of that nature, there’s probably gonna be some hype around those guys going pretty early in the draft just because teams are going to need quarterbacks. So maybe that leads, you know, to Caleb Downs being closer to the 10th overall pick than the fifth overall pick. But regardless, He is a high level first round pick and there’s going to be a team that doesn’t need a quarterback that’s thinking to themselves, Oh boy, if he could drop the five, if he can drop the 10, we’ve got something here. I saw him projected 10th overall to the Patriots at a mock late, you know, way too early 2026 mock draft. It was 10th overall to the Patriots. I’m just sitting there thinking to myself again, I’m to let the Patriots do it again. I’m to let them, let them seal this guy 10th overall. Stephen Means (10:03.952) Stephen Means (10:21.874) He’s definitely gonna end up being a patriot. That’s gonna be really annoying. He’s he’s definitely gonna end up being a patriot. He’s 100 % gonna end up being a patriot. Stefan Krajisnik (10:29.954) And he’s going to save touchdowns in practice when Trevion breaks a big run and Caleb’s the only guy left back there. Stephen Means (10:33.902) No. Like what? I’m going to tell him that. Listen, man, you’re to be the picture. He’s going to look at me like, OK, I don’t care. I’m just telling you, when you’re in New England next year, remember who told you first. OK, so that’s sure fire. I’ve got a list of like 10 to 12 guys that I think we can talk about at least. Stefan Krajisnik (10:57.344) I’ve got eight guys ready to talk about. Stephen Means (10:58.926) Okay. Yeah. I went overboard because this is a podcast. We have to talk about people. is the next Stefan Krajisnik (11:08.398) I have two and a half. I have two and a half that I think will be first runners two that I’m pretty confident in and then one that I’m gonna make kind of a hot take Stephen Means (11:17.234) Okay, so let’s get this set, because I think I’m with you. But the second one is Cornell Tate. Stefan Krajisnik (11:22.348) Right. And I actually felt reaffirmed because I thought maybe we were, I thought maybe we were, I don’t want to say living in the Ohio state bubble because it’s a streak that everyone’s aware about. But I was worried that maybe we’re projecting a bit too much on Cardinal. Maybe he’s more on the edge than we think. Maybe this is where the streak ends. And then I open a mock and he’s going like 15th overall. I think it was a CBS mock. So I’m just like, and literally in the description, I don’t have the article in front of me. So sorry to whoever wrote it, but like he wrote the description. Stephen Means (11:23.814) Stephen Means (11:32.593) Stefan Krajisnik (11:52.398) Like this is just what you come to expect. Like this is a token Ohio State receiver going in the first round. it’s just, everyone expects it to happen at this point. I talked about it all week. The tangibles, the size, the athleticism that Carnel has, even if the production isn’t, know, like, Mecca had pretty crazy numbers when you think about it. And we were still saying like, yeah, they probably could have been even better if he would just had a loaded receiver room around him. This is probably gonna be the case for Carnell. Even if he doesn’t have 100 receptions, even if he doesn’t reach 1000 yards, I think he’s gonna be a first round pick. I think he’s that good. I think the reputation Brian Harline and Ryan Day have of producing receivers is that good. Carnell Tate’s gonna be a first round Stephen Means (12:34.322) There is an element to it that is we’re not to the Ohio State bubble part of it. We’re not the only people who have said this. Every single televised game Ohio State had last year, Carl Nolte would have a catch and they’d be like, he would be wide receiver one anywhere else. He’s just playing with a Mecca, a Bucca and a generational player. 52 catches for seven. Stefan Krajisnik (12:55.266) Pete Carroll basically said that at the combine when talking about Ohio State receivers. Stephen Means (12:58.906) Right, 52 catches, 733 yards and four touchdowns. He just has to. Okay, let’s do this. Let’s bump everybody up in the wide receiver room in terms of touches this year. So, Emeka had 81 catches, JJ had 76 catches, Carnell had 52 catches. So, let’s just say JJ has 81 catches next year. Now, granted, he had 1,300 yards with 76 catches, so what is five more catches gonna do for him? I don’t know. Jax is with the jig, but you might be in some trouble, my guy. 1,600 and six. I don’t know if that’s safe, Jackson. Terry Glenn, 18 touchdown catches. I don’t know if that’s safe. But okay, Cardinal Tait now has 76 catches. He had 733 yards and 52 catches. That’s 14.1 yards per catch. So let’s just say he has the exact same amount of catches that Jeremiah Smith had last year. That’s a thousand yards. and let’s just bump him up four touchdowns because he’s now wide receiver too. So 76, 1072 yards and eight touchdowns. Bye Cardinal. See ya. You had a good career. Go feed your family. The bear should bring him. I don’t know. You guys have loaded up on wide receivers. That would have been cool though, bringing him home. But yeah. Bye Cardinal. Thousand yard season and he’s out the door. Stefan Krajisnik (14:26.69) Yeah, defensive lineman already. Stephen Means (14:34.8) Because it is that, here’s what’s happened. Ohio State’s corners were that for a while. I remember when Jeff Okuda went third in 2020, mock drafts started coming out that were like, Sean Wade’s gonna be a top 10 draft pick. Because he was just the next Ohio State corner. The year after that, Sean Wade didn’t pan out obviously as a first round cornerback, but you saw some people were like, seven banks. First round, maybe early day two pick. Obviously didn’t pan out, but the reputation carried them. the reputation carried some defensive ends, maybe, right? After you had, everybody just assumed, Chaishan was gonna be next after Nick Bosa. That did work. Apply that logic here. Cardell’s just the next guy up on the list. I didn’t wanna guarantee it because his responsibilities are going to be, he’s going to have... a lot of attention from teams this year as the second guy without having the year of production that garnered the attention he’s going to get. Cause P T I do feel like teams it’s like objective number one stop number four objective number two stop 17. And what does that mean for the running backs, Max Claire, Brandon Ennis, we can talk about that all summer long and whatnot, but it does feel like teams are not going Oh, he only had 52 catches for 733 last year. We don’t have to worry about it. People are going, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, he would have had a thousand, but he played with two other thousand yard receivers. So he was a pretty. I’ll be happy to be wrong. I don’t think I’m going to be wrong with Cardinal Tate. Stefan Krajisnik (16:15.694) Yeah, it’s like, I don’t know if you’re a betting person, you probably enjoyed putting money on Aaron Judge to hit a home run or Shohei Otani did a home run. Cause it’s probably going to happen. If it doesn’t, you’re sitting there being like, okay, I lost money cause Shohei Otani didn’t hit her a home run. That’s fine. I’ll bet it tomorrow. Oh, no, it was not a first out pick. Guess what? I’m going to bet Jeremiah Smith beat first. Stephen Means (16:22.694) Yeah. I’m glad. Stephen Means (16:28.966) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I’m only gonna be wrong so many times with Ohio State Barbers. Okay, those were my definite. And now we get into the list of guys where I feel like. I guess we can make the case for it to happen. Let’s start with Sonny. because he’s I mean, he has the physically six, four, two, three, 35. He’s he’s going to be a starter at two different positions at Ohio State. He’s been productive at both positions. There’s a high end athletic profile. And this is not about top 10 territory. This is about like. 24, team just needs a linebacker and they like Sonny Styles. Stefan Krajisnik (17:19.854) Yeah, my hesitation with Sonny was simply because of what this kind of edge position has become to NFL drafts and what linebacker and traditional defensive end have seen it become. There was only two linebackers in the first round this year. There was actually, and like, I’m just looking at how the NFL labels them. There was no linebackers taken in the first round last year. And I think the year where we saw, um, Will Anderson from, from, um, Alabama go that was in 22, there was four that year. So. Stephen Means (17:30.331) Stefan Krajisnik (17:49.55) The numbers kind of like starting to dip a bit. There’s, less, I guess, attention on traditional linebackers, not sunny is an interesting case because he is so athletic, but I wouldn’t label him as an edge per se. would still kind of label him as a linebacker. So I, I hesitated with Sonny just because I don’t know what, like, I don’t know how NFL teams are going to view the position when it comes to the draft. There’s that a position that they just say, Hey, we can get a decent guy like Sonny styles. in the second round in the third round. That’s why I have some of my hesitations about it. My counter is teams went pretty high on Cody Simon and I think Sonny’s maybe even more athletic version of that. So maybe that helps Sonny boost him up into the first round a bit, right? If he’s a friend, second round guy, does that athleticism help him jump into the first round? I don’t know. So I went back and forth just because I think Sonny’s a first round talent. just don’t know. I don’t know how NFL teams are going to view the position. Stephen Means (18:47.686) Okay, then, Sunday’s out. We don’t have to include them because even the point you just made, don’t know, teams are high on Cody Simon. He won 15. So that’s a that’s higher than we thought it was going to go, but it’s still not near a first round draft pick. So if we think I think we can confidently say Sonny Styles is going to go higher in the NFL draft than Cody Simon did. OK, but that higher starts at 114. So, OK, that’s fine. You had that reservation and I think I agree with that. So no Sonny Styles. Who’s next for you? Stefan Krajisnik (19:28.684) Let’s go to Ethan Owen Yawan next. Stephen Means (19:31.95) Ooh, okay. We both had him on our list, all right. Stefan Krajisnik (19:36.172) Item as a maybe though. He’s not I have I have three guys who I think are gonna go in the first round and one of them I think is gonna surprise you So Ethan Owen was not one Stefan Krajisnik (19:49.038) But I think the size and that positional value, if it clicks for him this year the way it could, the way a lot of people project, there’s always going to be value in the left hand. Stephen Means (20:02.172) Stephen Means (20:05.818) Is he on your list because Josh Simmons went 31st? I mean 32nd this weekend. Stefan Krajisnik (20:12.75) No, he’s on my list because he’s listed as 66357. Obviously he’s down from that, but on Ohio State’s roster, he’s 66357 and a left-f. Stephen Means (20:21.968) Okay. He’s on my list because Josh Simmons went 30 seconds to the Chiefs. Stephen Means (20:30.62) I don’t know. Yeah, because even at Rice, Rice had him listen at 66345. He looks at as we talked about on Monday, what is Tyler? I don’t know. He committed to Ohio State as a transfer and Joseph Rowell still here here. But what is Tyler Bowen like? Big Mother, you know what, who can move? And I feel like Ethan Owen, y’all might be that the NFL likes big, know what, who can move to? But he also has a lot more tape than what Josh Simmons had when he got here. Josh Simmons had the one year at right tackle at San Diego state where it wasn’t great, but Josh Simmons also is a two year starter at Ohio state. Ethan Owen Yaw is going to be here for a year. So I do fear how much when teams turn on the tape, are they, they’re not just going to turn on the 900 snaps he plays at Ohio state this year. They’re going to turn on the 2200 snaps he played at rice for the last three years. And that was my reservation with him is, is he the Ooh, shiny toy. And then you turn on the tape and you go, Oh, not so shiny anymore. but also how deep is next year’s offensive line class, because that’s going to play a role too. Stefan Krajisnik (21:43.894) Dude, man, I’m looking at some of these tackles for next year’s class. Just as you mentioned that, mean, like, holy crap, this class could be loaded. Like Hayden Proctor, Alabama, Francis Mgoa, I’m butchering that from Miami, Isaiah World from Oregon, we’ve got two guys from Utah. Like, I’m looking down this list and even among these tackles, even though when y’all was like eighth or ninth or 10th, so it’s a pretty loaded class when it comes to tackles. Stephen Means (21:52.464) Stephen Means (21:59.633) Stephen Means (22:13.394) And I think he might get pushed down the list. That’s why I had him on my list of guys to talk about as well. It’s just. This year’s tackle class was fine, but I feel like it was a lot of tackles who are going to end up playing guards. If there are a lot of like legit, no, put me on the backside of my quarterback and I’m going to protect them for a decade guys next year and it might push him down. So I feel like he’s in the sunny styles category where I am. If he’s the 21st pick next April. I don’t think I’m gonna be like, whoa, look at that. But I’m also not gonna be, how did he not go on the first round if we’re at pick 45 Friday night and he’s still on the board? Stefan Krajisnik (22:54.912) Yeah, this is like this is definitely one of those exercises where. You almost feel like you’re like bad mouthing a kid and then you kind of remind yourself you’re like there’s only 32 players like in the entire college football realm that can be first round picks like I love study styles as a player. He’s one of my favorite guys to cover at Ohio State. I think Ethan open. Yeah, it can be a beast at left tackle like Alabama, Georgia still exists. They like Oregon still exists. These these teams also have first round talents. Stephen Means (23:05.305) Right. Right. Stephen Means (23:16.465) Stephen Means (23:23.122) Like we just, we just did this. We just, they just won a national championship and only four of those guys heard their name on Thursday night. Cause there’s 32 bigs, which was more than all of us expected. And the thing is there’s like six of these guys we could have made the case for, but everybody can’t be a first round draft pick. Okay. You said you had one more guy that’s like sure fire. You definitely think he’s going to be a first rounder. So let’s take a break. Stefan Krajisnik (23:31.276) Yeah, because more than we expected. Stephen Means (23:52.07) just to tease people a little bit longer and then we’ll come back and let’s start with that guy. I don’t think I’m gonna be as shocked as you think if it’s who I think it is. But I guess we’ll find out after the break here on. Stephen Means (24:04.977) We’re back on Buckeye Talk, Stephen Means and Stefan Krasnik. We are projecting out to 2026. Ohio set at four first rounders in 2025. How many will they have in 2026? Right now we have concluded that they’re going to have at least two with Caleb Downs and Cardinal Tate. The most they have had is five in the modern day era. And that was in 2016. They had Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, Eli Apple, Taylor Decker and Darren Lee. So we’re two fifths of the way there. I do wonder if we can get any closer to that as we make some cases for guys. Stefan, you have a guy that you think is going to shock me. If it’s our Val Reez, it’s not going to shock me. I don’t think it’s our Val Reez stuff. Okay. Stefan Krajisnik (24:45.518) It’s not because I want Arville Reese to come back for another season. Stephen Means (24:48.786) Stefan Krajisnik (24:55.47) I was very shocked when I was kind of looking through big boards and mock drafts for way too early for 2026. I did not even see this guy mentioned anywhere to the point where I went back and looked at the roster and I was like, this guy is a junior, right? Like he’s eligible for the 2026 draft. I think Kaden McDonald could be a first round pick next year. Stephen Means (25:11.634) Stefan Krajisnik (25:18.188) There are only so many human beings in this world who are 6′3", 3′26", can play defensive tackle. Like, that is one of those positions where there’s only a handful of dudes that exist in this life that can play that position. I think it’s why we saw Tylek go as early as he did, because there’s only so many guys with that athleticism who can play defensive tackle for you. I think Kaden MacDonald could be a first round pick in the same way that we both think that Edrick Houston could be a first round pick the year after. Stephen Means (25:47.212) So I’m gonna ask you a question. It’s gonna sound really similar to a question I asked you before the break. Stephen Means (26:02.817) Was Kaden, if we had done this before Thursday and we had not seen that Tylee Williams 100 % now he’s a first round draft pick, he went 28th to the Lions. Would you be hammering the table as hard as you are for Kate McDonald? Stefan Krajisnik (26:20.6) Probably not, and not just because of Tyleek, but because there was five defensive tackles taken in the first round. Stephen Means (26:26.934) Say he was my half. And. At least I think defensive tackles becoming more valuable in a world where teams wanted are trying to mimic the Eagles and just have let’s just get a cohort of guys on the defensive line and both on the interior and on the edge and just throw waves at them at these quarterbacks. Stefan Krajisnik (26:54.35) Instead of banning the tush push, let’s just get a bunch of Kater McDonalds and put them in the middle. Stephen Means (26:58.64) Yeah, yeah and stop the push push. Stefan Krajisnik (27:01.72) Stephen Means (27:06.01) I don’t know if he’s gonna go pro after one year. So it was more about that than it was do I think he can be a first round draft pick. I I’m gonna bring our reason to this. Cause I think they’re in a, there’s a couple of guys in this 2023 class who are in similar positions. But I think those two are in unique positions cause they don’t necessarily play. Positions that are legitimate. Well, they do they both play positions that quite frankly go in the first round and go in the top 10 all the time I think overrush is gonna come off the edge a lot more than we’re expecting right now This is because of how this team this personnel is going they might be bringing him off the edge a bunch and key pass rush situations so to the point we were talking about with Sonny Styles earlier of Traditional linebackers may be being less valuable edge outside linebackers being more valuable People are gonna look at R. Valerius’ athletic profile and go, I’m taking that guy with the 17th pick. People are gonna look at Caden McDonald’s athletic profile and if he is what we think he is, go, I’m taking that guy with the 14th pick. I just don’t know if they’re going to leave. Because I’m wondering, especially in this world now, with the transfer, with not the transfer, with NIL being what it is, if they are fringe first round picks. and they’re only in their third year here. Are these two inclined to come back? Because I think Ohio State can make up for the difference in an IL and make sure they’ll they are comfortable with what they’re going to be making in 2026 and go from, okay, maybe I’m 27, but maybe I’m 37 to now I’m 11. Now I’m eight in 2027. And so that’s what Stephen Means (28:59.804) kept me from putting them on this list. Stefan Krajisnik (29:04.482) Yeah, I agree. Sorry, I just started. I started an outdoor run on my watch there. I don’t know why I’m definitely not running while we’re doing this podcast. Stephen Means (29:10.29) Cause you were hammering in a table home for Katie McDonnell and your watch talks you were working out. Stefan Krajisnik (29:15.29) That’s true. Maybe it’s because you brought up our overall race. But yeah, that’s where I went. That’s why I went back and forth as well. hot like. Yeah, him and our velar definitely that conversation of do they come back? I kind of went with the route of if you’re pretty confident you’re going to be a first round pick, maybe you just say wow, I thought I was going to come back for fourth year, but everything I’m hearing has been good. So yeah, it’s going to come down to that because I agree. I think cadence probably guy that if he does go into first round is probably in the 20s. in the 2026 draft. So maybe that does give you some incentive to return for your senior season. You some of that is personal too. Like there’s dudes with families who’ve got to do certain stuff and I’m not going to pretend to know Cady McDonald’s personal life, kind of what he wants to do. But yeah, there’s going to be decisions that come into this, but I think he’s at least, if he decides to leave Ohio State, I think he could, it’s because he might be a first round pick in 2026. Stephen Means (29:45.35) Stephen Means (29:55.59) Yeah. Yeah. Stephen Means (30:12.806) I wish Andrew were here. Mainly because of the guy we’re about to talk about. Stephen Means (30:20.976) You know where I’m going. Colston Loveland had 56 catches for 582 yards and one touchdown last year. Now, granted, Michigan’s quarterback play was horrid. Okay, fine. The year before that, had 45 catches for 649 yards and four touchdowns, playing with a first round pick at quarterback and they won a national championship. What that tells me is you don’t have to be Brock Bowers to go in the first round at tight end anymore because receiving tight ends are becoming more valuable by the day because teams are just sitting back in too high safety and taking away deep shots, which means guys like Trevion Henderson as pass, cost catchers out of the backfield become more valuable, which means that guys like it’s the reason Brock Bowers has 115 catches as a rookie, which means guys like Colston Loveland go in the first round of an NFL draft. So what does that mean for Max Claire? When he is right now playing in an offense that is about as pro style as it gets in college football, teams are going to legitimately do to Ohio State this year what they do to the NFL. They’re going to run too high, try to keep Jeremiah Smith from killing them downfield, try to keep Carnell Tate from killing them downfield. And so that means there’s going to be opportunities for underneath stuff, flat receivers to running backs into tight ends. And Max Clare had 50 plus catches last year as the only weapon. And now he might be in a situation that because the weapons around him are so elite, he just might be open all the time. So whether that means Andrew’s right and he has 50 plus catches or I’m right and he has 25 catches. The point of the matter is being he’s going to have plenty of opportunities to showcase himself. And I wonder if this is a situation where regardless of his numbers, teams throw that out the window and go, I like Mark’s player with the ball in his hands. I’m taking him up next year in the first round. Stefan Krajisnik (32:13.602) Yeah, and don’t know if next year’s draft has a Tyler Warren or a Brock Bowers in it that you know, kind of is an undoubted number one tight end type player or even a Colson Loveland for that for that matter. So yeah, I think there’s going to be an opportunity for Max Clear because he all the tape of what he can be as a receiver is out there, right? You can go watch X amount of snaps that he played with Purdue and you’ll say, wow, that dude was the number one target for a team in the Big 10. Yeah, sure. The talent around him wasn’t great, but he was a legit number one target for that Purdue team. He put up a Stephen Means (32:17.265) Stefan Krajisnik (32:43.138) amazing numbers. So even if the numbers dip at Ohio State, NFL teams are smart enough to turn on the tape and say, well, why are Max Clear’s numbers down? I don’t know. You guys are the one who keep drafting first round receivers from Ohio State. That’s probably why Max Clear’s numbers were down when he came to Ohio State. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good tight end. So I think he’s another one of those guys who’s definitely going to be in the conversation. We’ll see if someone in the tight end class kind of makes the jump and maybe there’s a guy or two that that seems like more than him as a tight end prospect, but He comes to Ohio State as a fringe first round guy. If he can block the way that we think, know, Keaton Bailey and this offense can make him into a blocker along with what he’s already shown as a route runner and a receiver, he’s absolutely got a potential to be a first round pick next year. Stephen Means (33:28.196) Am I allowed to be on both sides of that? I don’t think he’s going to have a lot of catches. I also think he’s going to be a first round draft pick. Stefan Krajisnik (33:36.386) Yeah, absolutely. Stephen Means (33:40.31) Which would mean running, if this happens, so we in agreement, can we both mark him down or is he more in the? Okay. Okay. Stefan Krajisnik (33:47.758) Sure, yeah, let’s put him down. right, let me ask you a question. After the spring game and kind of the, you know, going through the spring hearing about Max Clair, I agree with you. I don’t think he’s gonna get to 40 catches. Are you more open to the idea of him having somewhere between 30 and 35 as opposed to, I know you and I both in January were like, he’s probably gonna have 20 to 25. Stephen Means (34:08.624) Yeah. Yes. Yes. I’m open to... I’m open to 35. Part of it is... Stephen Means (34:24.594) don’t know how good this defense going to be yet. I think the upside is there. I also am very fearful of this team’s ability to stop the run right now. So if teams can move the ball in Ohio State and now it finds itself in positions where part of the reason it only I was like 38 points last year is because it didn’t have to average more points than that to win football games. If we’re living back in the world where Ohio State’s offense has got to kind of go a little bit and be a little bit more up-tempo that opens that case up to be but also just in general. Yes, I think I was I went significantly low because of Titan’s history here, but Max Clair just might be open all the time because everybody it’s like, all right, the options are 11 for 1786. Okay, four is number one, 17 is number two, 11 may be number three just because of, mean, he is number one now. I did, yeah, he finally got that number. Good for you. Good for you, Brandon. Stefan Krajisnik (35:15.694) Number one now. Stephen Means (35:23.098) Number one might be number three on the, need to make sure this guy doesn’t touch the ball hierarchy because tendencies, teams have tendencies and Ohio State slot receiver gets the ball a lot. And the last two players who played Brandon’s position were the number 19 and number 20 NFL draft picks in a respective draft classes. And one of which was why receiver one also Jackson Smith, the Jigba had 95 catches in the slot and a Mecca had 81 catches in the slot. So at some point you got to stop letting the slot do this to you. yeah. The guys before that. KJ Hill was this team’s all time leader in catches before Macabuca. the guy before that held the record for the most catches in the season, Campbell before that. So at some point you gotta stop letting slot receivers kill your big 10. So yes, I am open to moving up to 35, which is why I wish Andrew was here because he’s not here to listen to this. So if he has 36 catches in December, Andrew’s gonna go, no, no, no, you said this, you said this, said this. Yeah, and then Stefan and I in April. you with new information, kind of, you know, changed our opinion. Yeah, you get new information and you can change your mind. I’m in all jack, Max Clair as a first round draft. Stefan Krajisnik (36:26.636) Normalize, normalize changing your mind. Stefan Krajisnik (36:36.206) What could go wrong? Stephen Means (36:38.128) Yeah, that would also mean Stefan Krajisnik (36:39.182) list of guys buying into Ohio State. Stephen Means (36:44.806) Yeah, I don’t know man if max claire goes in the first round. I think that’s a pretty big deal Stefan Krajisnik (36:49.112) I think we were both ready to say D’Angelo White’s gonna be a first round pick after yesterday. Stephen Means (36:53.106) Oh, like in 2017. No, no, 2026. Like he’ll be a first rounder in next April and he’s only like 16 years old. Yeah. That’s that guy. Boy, oh boy. Okay. I can’t believe we haven’t talked about it in this shit. Is it this two years? Does he need two years? Stefan Krajisnik (37:14.37) To be a first round pick, I think so. Stephen Means (37:17.074) The wire receiver still, you still think that? Stefan Krajisnik (37:19.746) Stephen Means (37:21.594) What’s that line? Get some out the door. Stefan Krajisnik (37:31.742) What style I’ll say what’s that like gets him to a first round pick not get some out the door Stephen Means (37:35.474) I don’t think he’s leaving if he’s like a second round. Yeah, this is he’s this isn’t a third year right now He doesn’t have to leave just because he’s in his third year Stefan Krajisnik (37:37.55) This is not a first round here. Stefan Krajisnik (37:44.664) Like 70 and 900? Stefan Krajisnik (37:50.35) You think it might be even less than that? Stephen Means (37:53.382) I think it might be. Stephen Means (37:57.02) Let’s go back to 2021, because again, I’m gonna bring up 2021 a lot over the next couple of months here. I did 20, I thought last year’s team was like 2019 in terms of how they use things, how they went about things. I think this year it might be more like 2021 offensively. Quarterback who’s more of a pocket guy than he is a runner. Three dudes at wide receiver. Young running backs with talent, but still unproven. a very, very young defense that we think has a chance to have some upside, but it might take some time for them to get there. Stephen Means (38:34.204) Do you think if Jaxxas with the Jigwa had been draft eligible after 2021, do you think he would have been a first round draft pick? Stefan Krajisnik (38:43.896) Stephen Means (38:44.53) I can pull up that draft if it helps. So the wide receiver at 20. So the wide receivers who went in the first round in 2022, which is your Gary, Chris came out. Drake London was where I received her one. was eight. Garrett was 10. Chris was 11. J Mo was 12. Jahan Dotson, Dotson was 16. Stefan Krajisnik (38:49.068) Yeah, go ahead. He was the first receiver in his draft taken. Right? Stephen Means (39:14.834) Traylon Berks was 18, so that’s a six-wag receiver. Stefan Krajisnik (39:19.896) I would say yeah, probably. think he would have been better than Burks. Stephen Means (39:26.288) I think he could have gone anywhere. 16 and 18. Stefan Krajisnik (39:30.978) Man, team for going heavy on receiver that year. Stephen Means (39:33.316) Yeah, no. Because even going early in the second round, Christian Watson out of North Dakota State was 34. I think Jackson would have gone ahead of John Dodson at 16, which was still wide receiver five in a year where six went in the first round. So. Stefan Krajisnik (39:46.51) Yeah, I can see that. Stephen Means (39:57.744) I guess what does this 2026 wire receiver class look like? Stephen Means (40:03.888) I don’t think it’s all that shiny. because 2027 is so shiny. Because even if you don’t get JJ, you got Ryan Williams, there’s the kid who’s at Auburn right now, there’s a kid at Clemson right now who’s pretty good. That’s gonna be a crazy wide receiver class outside of just Jeremiah Smith. So I almost wonder. Stefan Krajisnik (40:23.886) I’m looking at it right now. Cardinal might be wide receiver one next year. Not a great class. Stephen Means (40:32.572) So can, actually then you might be right. If he has 900 yards, he might be worth, cause he’s not gonna be, I don’t know for sure Brandon, this is going to be a first round draft if he waits till 27, when there’s that many dudes in it who are third year guys who I, like there might be six wide receivers taking in the first round in 2027. Stefan Krajisnik (40:45.315) Stephen Means (40:54.45) I’m inclined to say that’s what Redden is out there. Stefan Krajisnik (40:58.19) I think one thing that I kind of wrote down with Brandon too is he’s kind of gone through, I don’t want to see like a body like transformation this off season, but he’s slimmed down a bit. I think he’s trying to kind of get that speed up a bit. Is that a process that needs another year before he gets to spot where he’s real good, you know, with his 40 time with, with his measurable things of that nature? Like, that something that needs another year? Do you think he’s, he’s going be ready at the end of the 2025 season to say, all right, this is where I want to be. The numbers are there. The measurables are there. Stephen Means (41:06.684) Stephen Means (41:18.234) Stefan Krajisnik (41:28.27) I could be a fur trompe. Stephen Means (41:31.058) Which is the problem because I think he has a better chance and I hate that I’m done. Brandon, whoever is listening to this in the Brandon’s camp, please clip this and if I’m wrong, throw it back in my face. I have no problem. Again, I have no problem being wrong. I Innis might have a better chance of being a first rounder in 2026 than he does in 2027, even if he’s a better prospect in 2027 because it’s not as deep. Stephen Means (42:02.788) So in that, then we can’t, okay, then we don’t agree on it. We can’t, he’s not gonna be. Stefan Krajisnik (42:07.054) But to that point, like, yeah, he could be a better prospect in 2026 and maybe he goes. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be a first-round pick. He could be a second rounder, you know? Stephen Means (42:13.916) For sure. But it puts him in the group with McDonald, Reese, Owen, Yaw and Styles where you gotta like, let’s get some more information. It almost makes me want to revisit this doing a bye week and go, okay, how are all five of these guys looking and how does it pan out then? But we’re gonna be so knee deep in other things. I don’t know if we can do that. Okay. Where do we go next? Or is this your list? Stefan Krajisnik (42:43.982) I have two more guys on my list. Stephen Means (42:46.949) Stefan Krajisnik (42:49.56) Let’s talk about Austin syrup. Stefan Krajisnik (42:56.344) because Donovan Jackson just won the first round. Stephen Means (42:58.138) I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I wanna say yes. Go ahead, go ahead. Stefan Krajisnik (43:01.27) Here’s my red. Let me let me start with my reservation and then we can add them up. My reservation is that he’s a I think he’s less athletic than not. Stephen Means (43:07.622) Very much so, very much so. Stefan Krajisnik (43:10.734) So if Donnie is an athletic version of that and he goes in the 20s, I don’t know if I could project Austin’s hair while this is first round pick. But what if he’s just a damn good right tackle? And we’re not talking about like Donnie, a big thing was the versatility, right? And the athleticism like that. Like what if, what if Austin Ceravos is one of the best right tackles in this draft? Stephen Means (43:35.612) Do you think he can play tackle in the NFL? Stefan Krajisnik (43:39.618) Probably not. Stephen Means (43:41.458) So there’s the answer to your question. That’s a, we both think Donovan Jackson can play tackle in the NFL. Probably not left tackle, but he could play right tackle in the NFL. Stefan Krajisnik (43:52.896) At this point, not going to doubt him. He just played again. James Pierce, what did the first round? Stephen Means (43:54.172) Lemme hear you, listen, again, Vikings, just throw them out there and let’s see what happens. That’s fair. yeah, and Avenue Carter was the fifth pick in the draft. Not even Jackson, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, yeah, third pick. even Jackson, ladies and gentlemen. But. Stefan Krajisnik (44:06.798) third pick in the drive. Stephen Means (44:15.344) We think Donnie can play four different positions in the NFL. Stephen Means (44:22.342) I don’t think Austin Cerebell can play four different positions in the NFL. I think he is going to be a damn good offensive lineman at Ohio State, but that’s not the conversation we’re having right now. We’re having an NFL draft conversation. And so unfortunately, our hype train for Austin Cerebell has to be put on hold a little bit. And I don’t think we can even put him in this grouping of the other five we have where it’s like, okay, let’s check back in. November on this and go hey, can he sneak into there? I just don’t think the athletic profile is the same as these other five guys where it’s like they have the athletic prof they either have the athletic profile and are missing the production or They happen to play a position where it’s not a guarantee that position goes in the first round every single year I don’t think that’s the case with Lawson’s are about unfortunately. I think he’s an early day to pick He’s also only in year three. So I might change my mind if he comes back and he’s a 20, 27 draft guy. Stefan Krajisnik (45:23.089) I think he would probably benefit financially if he came back for a fourth year to Ohio State. Stephen Means (45:29.138) Oh yeah, almost. know what? don’t think he’s going to go pro. Yeah, that’s probably it. Yeah, I don’t think he’s going to go Okay. Let’s talk about these corners. Stefan Krajisnik (45:33.464) Stephen Means (45:41.19) Who goes higher, Davidson, Iqbal, Nelson, or Jermaine Matthews? If they both come out. Stefan Krajisnik (45:46.85) I think it might be Geraint. Stephen Means (45:48.324) Okay, so that means Davis and Ibnose is not first round draft. Because I don’t think Jermaine’s going to be a... Stefan Krajisnik (45:55.372) And you and I both agree with Andrew in terms of like the tangible, the measurements, like Davis said, has built like a first round corner, but at some point, like the production on the field is going to matter. And we’re both talking about, you know, other guys in that corner room, maybe pushing for some playing time. I don’t know. Stephen Means (46:00.924) Stephen Means (46:11.953) Jordan Hancock came off the board before Denzel Burke did. Stephen Means (46:21.501) So, and if, I think Jermaine Matthews is gonna end up starting at a nickel here. The last guy who started at nickel went off the board before the guy who was a four year starter at cornerback for Ohio State. And I think the same thing is going to happen here. If both of these guys come out, I think the Ohio State starting nickel is going to go higher than the guy who has been a three year starter at cornerback for Ohio State. because traits are all that but like the penalties you can’t. I don’t have a reason to think that he won’t have at least 10 penalties this year. And that has to change before I put him on this list. Okay. Yeah. Stefan Krajisnik (47:00.408) mean, that’s a drastic improvement for being quite honest. I the numbers are what they are. Stephen Means (47:05.667) thought to if Lincoln somehow wins this job. And I’ll tell you, I’ve talked to some people. Julian Sands probably going to be the starting quarterback here, but you Lincoln was in the lead for a little bit this spring. In fact, I think there were some people inside the building who thought Lincoln was in the lead heading into the spring game and then Lincoln didn’t look great and it was oh, well, that’s what happened, dude. So let’s just live in this world where Lincoln wins the battle. Any chance he pulls a Mac Jones, Dwayne Haskins, one year starter first round draft pick because he is a quarterback and people get weird about quarterbacks. Stefan Krajisnik (47:52.802) Yeah, I mean, I think there’s it’s possible. I mean, 63207 if he’s a starter at Ohio State, he’s going to have really impressive numbers. If he’s a starter at Ohio State, that means he’s a really good quarterback and he’s going to have, you know, the legs to maybe make him an intriguing prospect. So that’s the biggest like, if this happens, this can happen guy. But I think if you win the starting quarterback battle at Ohio State, you’re going to do enough on the field to make me think that your first round count. Stephen Means (48:20.378) until your lives are shared with you. Stefan Krajisnik (48:20.494) That you could be, that you could be. I won’t say you’re gonna be because I don’t think anyone walked away from Kyle McCord thinking that guy could be a first round pick even though he had a decent season with Ohio State. But I’m not gonna shut the door on the Lincoln-Keynall’s conversation. If we’re talking about Julian Saint potentially being a first round pick, then the guy who beats him out, you have to at least say, maybe. Stephen Means (48:29.17) Stephen Means (48:46.524) That’s such a coach speak no. Stefan Krajisnik (48:49.42) Yeah, I think the answer. Well, I don’t think he’s gonna win the startage. Stephen Means (48:51.888) I know, I know, I know. Such a coach me though. I have three other people. I’m assuming your list is over. Stefan Krajisnik (48:53.806) Stefan Krajisnik (49:01.55) Stefan Krajisnik (49:04.939) Yes, my list is over. Stephen Means (49:05.498) Okay. I just wanted to bring these people up for a second. it up. Kenyatta Jackson in a finally the second and fifth rounders, excuse me, fourth round. The second and fourth rounders got out of his away. He goes nuclear this year and the team’s like, I’m taking that guy because the traits are awesome. that’s my own, that’s my case for him. CJ Hicks kind of the same thing. He finally gets to play the position he was always meant to play and he goes Jalen Walker Stefan Krajisnik (49:34.478) that happen to Stephen Means (49:42.994) but you still got, those are two guys where we gotta see it to believe it first. don’t, so right now we have three tiers. We have the, yes, they’re gonna be first rounders. We have the, I wish we could review this conversation in November because there’s a case to be made that’s strong. just don’t wanna, you don’t wanna act, you have it in your cart, but you’re not ready to buy it yet. Stefan Krajisnik (50:07.918) Why don’t I why don’t I set a reminder? It doesn’t have to be a podcast on the biweek, but it can be like while we’re recording. I’ll set a reminder like 1230 like Tuesday of a biweek and while we’re recording I’ll get a reminder. I’ll be like hey by the way. Stephen Means (50:15.73) Yeah, Brandon it is. Okay, cool. Because okay, that’s that group that group of like, it’s in the cart, but you’re not ready to press purchase. Stefan Krajisnik (50:21.11) I’ll do that. I’ll do that for us. Stefan Krajisnik (50:28.986) Say the names again, I’ll jot them down. Stephen Means (50:30.662) Brandon Ennis, Caden McDonald, Arvel Reese, Ethan Owen Yawa, and Sonny Styles. Stephen Means (50:42.864) Are we allowed to put CJ Hicks and Bo Atkinson in that list? Or should we create a third tier under that of like best, best, best, best case scenario they do this, but they’re probably not. Stefan Krajisnik (50:56.718) They’re probably in a tear under, I think. Did you want a Kenyatta Jackson in there too, Stephen Means (50:58.276) Okay, so that’s our third here. Stephen Means (51:03.908) Yes. Does he go in that second? Stefan Krajisnik (51:05.1) Yeah, I would put them in like the Sunny Styles tier. Because that guy’s gonna start. Those are two guys I don’t even know if they’re starters. Stephen Means (51:08.922) Okay, cool. So that Stephen Means (51:13.828) yeah, that’s fair. Okay, so we’ve got the. Okay, so here’s what we’ve purchased. We’ve purchased Caleb Down’s car and I’ll tell you Max Clair. We have the, they’re in the cart, but we’re waiting on a random check that we didn’t expect we were gonna get. And maybe we’ll use that money to pay for a tier. And that’s Ennis, McDonald, Reese, Owen Yowell, Styles, and Jackson. The tier under that is where I think CJ and Bo are of like, I mean, if everything goes perfectly, then yes. But I’m not going to buy the stock in it. That’s just too irresponsible. In fact, I think I’ll put Davis and they’ve been also in Jermaine Matthews and that’s here. No, actually I’ll put Davis and they’ve been also in that tier because this is for CJ and Davis and this is it. This is your four cops football for them. And then I’ll put Jermaine and Austin in a tier where it’s like, sure, but maybe you come back for your four and really solidify it tier. And then you’ve got the tier of whatever Lincoln clean host wins the starting quarterback job. Stefan Krajisnik (52:25.422) And if you want, we can revisit that in November because we’ll have an answer. Stephen Means (52:29.346) Right. So I like I how we do this. We almost like teared it more than Mark sometimes we mark down three. We’ll review it with six later on three other guys where I think after the Texas game either the momentum is going to be there or it’s not and then three other guys where it’s like you should probably come back for your four and then a quarterback. I like that tier but the for sure not marking down Caleb downs car notate Mac Claire. Two of, one of them is just cause it’s like, it came with the subscription. You didn’t even have to buy it. It just came with it. It was your two week free trial, 614-350-3315. Two week free trial is Caleb Downs. Carnell Tate is the first text you get after you signed up. Where they’re like, welcome, welcome aboard. And then Max Clair is like, yeah, this is why I signed up. Cause it’s juicy information and it’s fun being here. Stefan Krajisnik (53:07.671) Stephen Means (53:24.592) I like this tier. like what we did here. Okay, that’ll do it. Now we’re officially done doing NFL Draft Talk. I hope. Unless... Stefan Krajisnik (53:34.488) You want to project with coaches? We’ll get an FL jobs next year. Stephen Means (53:38.898) Lig and Riley analyst. Okay. That’ll wrap up this part as again. Yes. You’re listening to this speaking of coaches and if those teams would love to have we’re in the Woody talking with Ryan day to wrap up the spring tomorrow. Will you be a lot of that? Just what Ryan day had to say about the spring. It’ll be the first time he gets a chance to talk publicly about Bo Atkinson and Justin Terry and all these other new guys that maybe people will ask about some of the 2025 recruiting class members who didn’t early enroll and are getting here now. Maybe whether or not they can have a role in 2012 or 25 or not something we’re doing later this week and I’m going to involve our textures in this a if you could have added anybody through the transfer portal everybody is available which often to play or which defensive player and then one wild card guy would you have wanted Ohio State to add if every single human being in college football was available to have plus a few other things this week as well. get the text 614 3-5-0-3-3-1-5, two week free trial, 399 after that. For Stefan Kresnik, I’m Stephen Means and that was Fuck I Talk.